Comments on: Updates to pageview measuring https://blog.typekit.com/2012/04/26/updates-to-pageview-measuring/ News about Typekit Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:21:07 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.1 By: Sean McBride https://blog.typekit.com/2012/04/26/updates-to-pageview-measuring/#comment-3252 Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:21:07 +0000 http://blog.typekit.com/?p=7194#comment-3252 In reply to finkster.

Tom: The ratio of total pageviews to non-cached requests (i.e. the cache hit ratio) will most certainly not stay the same from site to site, user to user, or even font to font. The measurement depends on what kind of site the fonts are on, how it’s structured, user behavior, and which fonts are popular for which types of sites. Imagine a site where you click through many pages in under five minutes vs. a site with a single page that you visit once a week and then leave. The only way for us to be accurate is to measure the actual metric in question.

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By: Sean McBride https://blog.typekit.com/2012/04/26/updates-to-pageview-measuring/#comment-3251 Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:10:17 +0000 http://blog.typekit.com/?p=7194#comment-3251 In reply to Tozz Erik Johansson.

There are a few separate issues in here that I’ll address individually.

First, you mention caching. Currently, we have to balance between kit updating speed (how long before published changes to show up) and longer cache times. This work moves us closer to being able to use much longer cache times for our fonts and improve caching in other ways. Stay tuned.

Second, you mention a delay caused by additional HTTP requests. The image loading is kicked off by the JavaScript, but it happens asynchronously. It shouldn’t significantly increase the time it takes the JS to execute, and the image request itself shouldn’t affect when the DOMReady event fires. DOMReady fires once the page is parsed and all non-async scripts are executed. The image request happens asynchronously and in parallel with requests for other assets on the page.

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By: tom jones https://blog.typekit.com/2012/04/26/updates-to-pageview-measuring/#comment-3250 Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:47:18 +0000 http://blog.typekit.com/?p=7194#comment-3250 In reply to finkster.

(this is a reply to Mandy Brown, because that button is unavailable)

you don’t need to do that. ratio of pageview counts between different fonts will most certainly stay the same (statistics ftw) no matter if you count caching or not, because it’s equally distributed among websites/browsers/users/fonts.

that’s a bit dishonest imo. the only effect this will accomplish is higher prices for your users, and you know that..

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By: Mandy Brown https://blog.typekit.com/2012/04/26/updates-to-pageview-measuring/#comment-3249 Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:25:51 +0000 http://blog.typekit.com/?p=7194#comment-3249 In reply to Scott Cranfill.

The price for a web font does not only cover the bandwidth and other technology costs; it also compensates the foundries and type designers who work hard to bring these fonts to the screen. We have always maintained that pricing for fonts should be connected to use: a large commercial site with lots of traffic should pay more for the same font than a small blog with only a few visitors a day. That has been — and continues to be — one of the reasons for our tiered pricing.

This change only affects the mechanism for that measurement, not the underlying rationale.

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By: Mandy Brown https://blog.typekit.com/2012/04/26/updates-to-pageview-measuring/#comment-3248 Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:25:00 +0000 http://blog.typekit.com/?p=7194#comment-3248 In reply to Angus Shamal.

Yes, the foundry stats page will start to reflect this new measurement over the course of the next few weeks. Stay tuned!

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By: Tozz Erik Johansson https://blog.typekit.com/2012/04/26/updates-to-pageview-measuring/#comment-3247 Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:11:52 +0000 http://blog.typekit.com/?p=7194#comment-3247 You can’t fix proper caching for your kits (been years now, it’s not really that hard), but you have no problem adding yet another delay with additional http requests? Since typekit has to block to prevent flickering the gif file will of course affect latency. Even the GA tracking widget can cause a 50% increase in DOMReady.

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By: Scott Cranfill https://blog.typekit.com/2012/04/26/updates-to-pageview-measuring/#comment-3246 Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:52:14 +0000 http://blog.typekit.com/?p=7194#comment-3246 I thought the point of charging per-pageview (more precisely, to have plans that break into groups by number of pageviews) was to ensure that you are fairly compensated for the bandwidth required to serve kits? If kits are cached client-side, then you’re not using any more bandwidth.

I’m not sure what relationship exists, if any, between how many pageviews a webfont gets and how much its owner should get paid. I don’t believe it’s common for traditional typeface purchase licenses to restrict, for example, the circulation of the magazine in which it will be printed. Am I mistaken about that? Why adopt this model for webfonts?

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By: Angus Shamal https://blog.typekit.com/2012/04/26/updates-to-pageview-measuring/#comment-3245 Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:18:16 +0000 http://blog.typekit.com/?p=7194#comment-3245 These are good news to me.

Will font foundries that license webfonts to be hosted on Typekit be able to view now montly page views per website using their typefaces? Would be a huge help!

A

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By: Mandy Brown https://blog.typekit.com/2012/04/26/updates-to-pageview-measuring/#comment-3244 Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:02:37 +0000 http://blog.typekit.com/?p=7194#comment-3244 In reply to finkster.

The goal here is not to increase prices (which would have been much easier to do); the goal is to fairly compensate our foundry partners for the use of their fonts. I believe our policies have always been transparent and fair, and this change continues to reflect that.

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By: finkster https://blog.typekit.com/2012/04/26/updates-to-pageview-measuring/#comment-3243 Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:56:17 +0000 http://blog.typekit.com/?p=7194#comment-3243 This sounds like a price increase justified by some gobbledygook about “undercounting”. You mean Typekit’s been cheating itself and now it’s customers have to pay more?

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